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new polling in two key swing states show romney is ahead. we will talk to two pollsters about what the latest numbers mean. and also a preview of next week's presidential debate after a miserable performance in the first. will president obama try to channel his inner biden? right back. [ male announcer ] how do you turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >> laura: in the factor original section. ed as member is known for left wing politics. is he still supporting president obama? he recently sat down with bill o'reilly. >> i hear you are going to vote mitt romney coming up in november is that right? >> you said that, what? >> bill: mitt romney has your vote this november. >> i certainly don't brag about obama having my vote. i don't think he has been a strong leader. i think he has been deficient in his financial efforts in stimulating the economy. >> bill: see, let's just -- in case people don't know you. >> yeah. >> you are a
new polling in two key swing states show romney is ahead. we will talk to two pollsters about what the latest numbers mean. and also a preview of next week's presidential debate after a miserable performance in the first. will president obama try to channel his inner biden? right back. [ male announcer ] how do you turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >> laura: in the...
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new polling in two key swing states show romney is ahead. we will talk to two pollsters about what the latest numbers mean. and also a preview of next week's presidential debate after a miserable performance in the first. will president obama try to channel his inner biden? right back. [ male announcer ] how do you turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. whatever your business challenge, then don't miss sleep train's wbest rest event.st ever? you'll find sleep train's very best mattresses at the guaranteed lowest price. plus, pay no interest for 3 years on beautyrest black, stearns & foster, serta icomfort, even tempur-pedic. and rest even better with sleep train's risk-free 100-day money back guarantee. get your best rest ever from sleep train. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >> laura: in the factor original section. ed as member is known
new polling in two key swing states show romney is ahead. we will talk to two pollsters about what the latest numbers mean. and also a preview of next week's presidential debate after a miserable performance in the first. will president obama try to channel his inner biden? right back. [ male announcer ] how do you turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. whatever your business...
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put president obama ahead by a few points other shows mitt romney edging ahead and some indicate that the two men are virtually neck and neck now this has pundits declaring that this election could come down to a photo finish so this is further proof that each and every vote counts this year now we've already seen some interesting tactics on the part of the democrats and republicans to change the voting system you could call it a way to level the playing field when it comes to voter fraud or a ploy to sway the election the problem is that each state sometimes each individual county has a different set of rules and while those double standards may not guarantee a winner they are sure creating a lot of confusion and possibly widening the margin for error r t correspondent ana stasia turkana tells us more. you elected me to tell you the truth honesty is the best policy while maybe not in u.s. elections two words define why people hate america double standard on everything this presidential election season these two words are back in full swing the basic definition of a double standard is
put president obama ahead by a few points other shows mitt romney edging ahead and some indicate that the two men are virtually neck and neck now this has pundits declaring that this election could come down to a photo finish so this is further proof that each and every vote counts this year now we've already seen some interesting tactics on the part of the democrats and republicans to change the voting system you could call it a way to level the playing field when it comes to voter fraud or a...
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host: a poll shows a one point advantage for mitt romney. the washington post talks but adds fanning in critical states with the front page story, 100 million spent so far by the two candidates in florida, about the same spent in virginia and ohio. mitt romney makes two stops in ohio. obama prepares for the next debate on tuesday. town hall style format. you can see previous town hall formats tonight on c-span. that will start at 7:00 p.m., go to c-span.org for details. and for the first 45 minutes, we wanted to get your thoughts and the role of the moderator during the debate. we have pondered two already. we want to get your thoughts on style.and jim's anything that involves the moderator during the presidential debates. we want to get your thoughts. give us a call -- we choose this in part because of the reactions in the debate moderator's, especially from groups and watch these kinds of things. this is media matters, this out for the mark but debate. this is what the poston. write when media uses interruptions -- it goes on despite right
host: a poll shows a one point advantage for mitt romney. the washington post talks but adds fanning in critical states with the front page story, 100 million spent so far by the two candidates in florida, about the same spent in virginia and ohio. mitt romney makes two stops in ohio. obama prepares for the next debate on tuesday. town hall style format. you can see previous town hall formats tonight on c-span. that will start at 7:00 p.m., go to c-span.org for details. and for the first 45...
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new polls have said romney is enjoying a post debate bounce. the average of national polls this week put him in the lead for the first time. with the run can candidate also gaining ground among key voting groups and in some important swing states. is the surge real and what can mitt romney do to sustain it? for answers we turn to republican pollster witt, ayer. a couple weeks back before the debate when the republicans thought it was over, you were saying, no, this race is a lot closer. where does it stand now? >> thank you, paul. that was a pretty easy call. [laughter] >> today if you look at the effect of the debate, it's pretty significant. i'm talking about the first presidential debate. >> right. >> in the eight polls that were released in the week immediately before the debate, obama had a lead of 3.6 percentage points on average. in the seven polls that had been released so far in the week after the debate, romney has an average lead of 1.3 percentage points. that's a net turnaround of about 5 percentage points, which is very significant
new polls have said romney is enjoying a post debate bounce. the average of national polls this week put him in the lead for the first time. with the run can candidate also gaining ground among key voting groups and in some important swing states. is the surge real and what can mitt romney do to sustain it? for answers we turn to republican pollster witt, ayer. a couple weeks back before the debate when the republicans thought it was over, you were saying, no, this race is a lot closer. where...
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i'm a little bit ahead in the polls. romney is not that great a debater. he's going to get a bump being on the same stage as me. so it was a strategy that maybe if you were sitting in a hotel room might have made sense. but it was pretty clear, i think, art, don't you, that five or ten minutes into the debate, you were seeing an assertive, confident romney and the president just didn't read it. he had to change his style. he didn't. and too polite is perhaps a polite way of putting it. he was disengaged. he lacked passion. he didn't seem engaged with the issues. so he's going to be very different. >> arthel: then you bring in the factor that at the next debate tuesday will be in a town hall meeting. i wonder how you think this will affect the tone since we're talking about the questions coming from people, from actual citizens, voters. >> i love town hall debates because people tend to ask different questions than reporters. we can almost guess the reporter's questions. but when you have people asking them, they tend to go much more to looking for characte
i'm a little bit ahead in the polls. romney is not that great a debater. he's going to get a bump being on the same stage as me. so it was a strategy that maybe if you were sitting in a hotel room might have made sense. but it was pretty clear, i think, art, don't you, that five or ten minutes into the debate, you were seeing an assertive, confident romney and the president just didn't read it. he had to change his style. he didn't. and too polite is perhaps a polite way of putting it. he was...
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he's made it worse and i think that you're going to find, and i don't know what the polls are saying about this, i think you're going to find that voting against, barack obama, yes is an enthusiasm pusher for some on the right, but this question will keep some of them at that point ped down. >> i think he fixed it on the right. i think the problem is the position paul ryan has is not a popular position in the country. in the platform it's advocacy of an amendment to the constitution that would grant personhood 14th amendment rights to a fetus, to a fertilized egg. i mean, that's an extreme position which is -- that's the official position of the republican party. politics can be bitter and nasty. why that's a good thing coming up next. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our
he's made it worse and i think that you're going to find, and i don't know what the polls are saying about this, i think you're going to find that voting against, barack obama, yes is an enthusiasm pusher for some on the right, but this question will keep some of them at that point ped down. >> i think he fixed it on the right. i think the problem is the position paul ryan has is not a popular position in the country. in the platform it's advocacy of an amendment to the constitution that...
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big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, qu
big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line,...
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mitt romney's gain in the polls following a strong showing. there seem to be something of a theme there, jim. i heard the word liar time and time again. is that what happens what happens? >> it's like a sports game. we were robbed. those were democratic partisans doing the talking. i think the story of that few days before the biden debate was the fuss in the media. andy sullivan was practically on the ledge looking down. jon stewart said obama doesn't want to win. and nora at media, she called it the media has stopped filling in the blank. obama campaign spinners can go up there and call romney a liar. media at least for that period before biden rallied them were saying, look, you are on your own pal. >> jon: but when an old hand like bob here is says, are you saying -- bob schieffer says isn't that kind a gift or punt this? >> you can assume he was so stunned by what he heard axelrod say. for he for a moment didn't know how he would follow up. what we're really seeing is two narratives here. one, we're going to go after them by demeaning the
mitt romney's gain in the polls following a strong showing. there seem to be something of a theme there, jim. i heard the word liar time and time again. is that what happens what happens? >> it's like a sports game. we were robbed. those were democratic partisans doing the talking. i think the story of that few days before the biden debate was the fuss in the media. andy sullivan was practically on the ledge looking down. jon stewart said obama doesn't want to win. and nora at media, she...
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there is another poll out, tampa bay times poll that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the momentum. that would be a crucial at a time for him on his way to the presidency. >> you mentioned ohio where the president has had a lead for months. it has shrunk all the way down to statistical dead heat. >> no candidate has won the presidency in 1964 without winning ohio. only one candidate has won the presidency since 1948. this is a state that usually a bellwether. it's going to be no different this year. right now carl cameron is watching the rally there. that is where the candidates are spending a lot of time putting a lot of ads. romney is narrowly down by 2 percentage points. i would think as goes ohio, goes this election. whoever wins ohio will win the election. >> patti ann: north carolina, romney was leading but now high is leading by more. what about north carolina? >> i think this is going to be romn
there is another poll out, tampa bay times poll that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the momentum. that would be a crucial at a time for him on his way to the presidency. >> you mentioned ohio where the president has had a lead for months. it has shrunk all the way down to statistical dead heat. >> no candidate has won the...
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. >> hey, peter, according to that latest poll, romney down just a few points there behind president obama in ohio, inching closer by the day. what's different about the romney campaign strategy in the buckeye state right now versus that strategy maybe say two weeks ago? >> reporter: i think it's pretty clear that romney feels much more confident. he feels much more loose as he interacts with voters and delivers his stump speech. it's because of that debate performance about ten days or sore now. when we were on the trail for months, craig, it was very clear that people were here because they did not like president obama. increasingly they're here because they believe mitt romney is the guy that can beat him and lead this country. whether it's strategic or not, that's the biggest take away. stay technologically on the ground they're flooding ohio and other swing states with advertising, spending, restore our future. that's the primary super pac that has been supporting mitt romney from the start. there's some reporting today that they're now spending $14 million across nine swing sta
. >> hey, peter, according to that latest poll, romney down just a few points there behind president obama in ohio, inching closer by the day. what's different about the romney campaign strategy in the buckeye state right now versus that strategy maybe say two weeks ago? >> reporter: i think it's pretty clear that romney feels much more confident. he feels much more loose as he interacts with voters and delivers his stump speech. it's because of that debate performance about ten...
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poll after poll shows momentum building behind the romney/ryan tukt and there's pressure on the president now t wrap up his game for the three-week sprint to election day. let's bring in our correspondent, we're getting reaction to the vice presidential debate, more comments coming in. but the president has his mission cut out for him right now. dan? >> he really does. we just have to look back to right after the debate where the president turned up his volume, strongly aggressively going after his gop opponents. but what we saw this week at the university of miami on thursday at a big rally there was the president even turning up the volume a bit more. attacking mitt romney for what the president says was his changing position on a whole host of issues, including taxes. take a listen. >> he's trying to go through an extreme makeover. after running for more than a year in which he called himself severely conservative, mitt romney is trying to convince you that he was severely kidding. >> i was talking to a senior campaign official about the tone of the president's rally and this official
poll after poll shows momentum building behind the romney/ryan tukt and there's pressure on the president now t wrap up his game for the three-week sprint to election day. let's bring in our correspondent, we're getting reaction to the vice presidential debate, more comments coming in. but the president has his mission cut out for him right now. dan? >> he really does. we just have to look back to right after the debate where the president turned up his volume, strongly aggressively going...
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the latest polls have romney neck and neck with obama. >> which polls are the pundits' favorite? >> before the debate the majority were leaning toward pew and gallup, but look what happened last week, a massive swing. >> in7-eleven cull polls obama is up 20 points. >> the poll is polling well among pundits who no longer give a. [ bleep ] >> i call my was bias on 7-eleven. they have a margin plus and minus of mormons who cannot drink coffee. >> while "the new york times" cbs is now gaining traction relative to the daily host upp automated robo poll. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> all this stuff i that is taught about evolution the big bang theory, all of that is straight from the pit of hell. >> how old do you think this rock is? >> i'm more interested in the rock of ages than the age of rock. >> there is scientific data that i found out that actually show that this is really a young earth. i don't believe that earth is but about 9,000 years old. >> i do not think about things like things i do not think about. >> participating--well, let's see what have we got here. we have teleprompter stu
the latest polls have romney neck and neck with obama. >> which polls are the pundits' favorite? >> before the debate the majority were leaning toward pew and gallup, but look what happened last week, a massive swing. >> in7-eleven cull polls obama is up 20 points. >> the poll is polling well among pundits who no longer give a. [ bleep ] >> i call my was bias on 7-eleven. they have a margin plus and minus of mormons who cannot drink coffee. >> while "the...
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a closer look at in the romney's recent poll surge and the obama's campaign response. will the liar-liar strategy work. and congressional hearings in libya shed new light on what happened before, after and during the attack in benghazi and raises new questions put administration's response. welcome to the journal editorial report. all eyes were on kentucky thursday height when vice president joe biden and paul ryan squared off on everything from reform to eye ran to middle class taxes. >> the middle class got knocked on their heels, the great recession crushed them, they need some help now. the last people who need help are 120,000 families for another, another $500 billion tax cut over the next ten years. >> there aren't enough rich people in small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. and so the next time you hear them say don't worry about it, we will get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watchout, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> joining the panel this week, wall street journal columnist and deputy editor, dan, and jason riley.
a closer look at in the romney's recent poll surge and the obama's campaign response. will the liar-liar strategy work. and congressional hearings in libya shed new light on what happened before, after and during the attack in benghazi and raises new questions put administration's response. welcome to the journal editorial report. all eyes were on kentucky thursday height when vice president joe biden and paul ryan squared off on everything from reform to eye ran to middle class taxes. >>...
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a post-debate poll released this afternoon from reuters found that 42% thought joe biden won the debate. 35% said paul ryan and 23% were not sure. rush limbaugh is sure. he knows exactly who to blame for those poll results showing joe biden winning. >> i you had told you it was in the card and preedictable ryan knew it. it isn't an excuse. you can get mad and say it is unfair but everybody else thought it was unfair and ruined. everybody thought it was a stacked deck. some of you may wish that ryan would have been feistier and not let him run all over him. my guess is he doesn't debate much. let biden be who we know he is going to be and realize you are in a two against one situation. >> nait nate silver forecast on president obama will win 283 and mitt romney will win 285 and. joining me are ezra klein and crystal ball. rush's job, is to counsel the depressed after last night's debate. what to you make of his raddics, the unfair referee argument? i'm having trouble thinking of where she jumped in there to help joe biden. >> here's the other thing. the winning team doesn't complain abou
a post-debate poll released this afternoon from reuters found that 42% thought joe biden won the debate. 35% said paul ryan and 23% were not sure. rush limbaugh is sure. he knows exactly who to blame for those poll results showing joe biden winning. >> i you had told you it was in the card and preedictable ryan knew it. it isn't an excuse. you can get mad and say it is unfair but everybody else thought it was unfair and ruined. everybody thought it was a stacked deck. some of you may wish...
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here's to back it up, a tampa bay times/miami herald poll, a bigger romney lead. clearly, romney momentum. the obama campaign says it's not that big in florida but he's pulling up into at least a tie, maybe slightly ahead. that's not all. let's start out in the west. look at battleground state polls out here since the first debate. nevada on your left, colorado on your right. a dead heat in nevada, dead heat in colorado. romney's been doing well in the west holding his own. he's boosted his standing a bit since the first debate in the two battlegrounds out there. come over to the heartland, in the state of ohio, you see here, again, he was down a lot in wisconsin before the first presidential debate. that's paul ryan's home state. he's pulled into a statistical tie. this one's a bit more troublesome for the romney campaign. they are closer in ohio than before the first debate but still behind. the president has kept a small but steady lead in the state of ohio. that one's a bit of a problem for romney but he's at least closer from before the debate. after the deba
here's to back it up, a tampa bay times/miami herald poll, a bigger romney lead. clearly, romney momentum. the obama campaign says it's not that big in florida but he's pulling up into at least a tie, maybe slightly ahead. that's not all. let's start out in the west. look at battleground state polls out here since the first debate. nevada on your left, colorado on your right. a dead heat in nevada, dead heat in colorado. romney's been doing well in the west holding his own. he's boosted his...
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where do you think and why do you think for mitt romney, the swing state polls have swung so far back. is it just the debate or the normal reassessment that goes on in the campaign or what? >> several reasons, neal. you touched on a few of them and let me thank you for having me on your program. you always get closer when a presidential campaign gets close to the election and it is bound to tighten up and a lot of people are undecided . the debate was helpful and we hoped for a signal and we got a grand slam and number three paul ryan did an excellent job in his debate against the vice-president. and number four, people are very concerned about the fiscal cliff that you are talking about this morning. you are spot on, neal and number five, people are concerned about the spending and they know if they don't change the direction of the country, we'll have a fiscal cliff and could have a fiscal melt down and they are looking to a new direction and that is with mitt romney and paul ryan and tommy thompson. >> and what if they get e mitt romney and paul ryan and it is not tommy thompson. b
where do you think and why do you think for mitt romney, the swing state polls have swung so far back. is it just the debate or the normal reassessment that goes on in the campaign or what? >> several reasons, neal. you touched on a few of them and let me thank you for having me on your program. you always get closer when a presidential campaign gets close to the election and it is bound to tighten up and a lot of people are undecided . the debate was helpful and we hoped for a signal and...
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checking the polls, pew, romney's performance erases obama leed. >> my good conservative friend was telling me about the sinister conspiracy of the polls. that they were all rigged, giving the impression that the liberals are running away with the election. and all the sudden you have conservatives hijacking the polls and you have dispirited and liberals. the liberals were dispirited. there was a sense of real puzzlement, where was the president? why did he not show up? these are people who have been picking out their inaugural outfits. the romney people, prior to that debate were heading for the lifeboats. they thought it was over and they were going to concentrate on holding on to the house and may be winning the senate. it was transformational in that sense. in the political world, however, has not changed how people feel about mitt romney. they still feel he is out of touch and that remains a problem, even for charles. >> the columnist, neocon, he said monday was the day political polling died. [laughter] what do you think? >> i dunno about what to john was saying. but my view last week
checking the polls, pew, romney's performance erases obama leed. >> my good conservative friend was telling me about the sinister conspiracy of the polls. that they were all rigged, giving the impression that the liberals are running away with the election. and all the sudden you have conservatives hijacking the polls and you have dispirited and liberals. the liberals were dispirited. there was a sense of real puzzlement, where was the president? why did he not show up? these are people...
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mitt romney has a two-point lead over president obama in that national poll there. here is the story in ohio where president obama holds a three-point lead. romney will be in ohio today campaigning. >> now, he's looking to capitalize on the momentum from the first presidential debate. debate number two is tuesday, but thursday's vp debate is still a hot topic on the trail. cnn political national correspondent jim acosta has more. >> randi and victor, the debate after the debate has been about substance most notably the vice president's comments on libya. >> i feel great. >> reporter: at breakfast after his fiery debate, paul ryan still had his sunny side up. >> no, it's what i expected. ryan offered no complaints about biden's aggressive performance, which was designed to put some points on the president's scoreboard, whether it was on ryan's past request for stimulus money. >> on two situations -- >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare mitt romney to jack kennedy. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own.
mitt romney has a two-point lead over president obama in that national poll there. here is the story in ohio where president obama holds a three-point lead. romney will be in ohio today campaigning. >> now, he's looking to capitalize on the momentum from the first presidential debate. debate number two is tuesday, but thursday's vp debate is still a hot topic on the trail. cnn political national correspondent jim acosta has more. >> randi and victor, the debate after the debate has...
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>> these polls would have tightened -- >> no, no, no. >> if mitt romney wins -- >> if mitt romney wins, you can at least say this of the first debate. it stopped the hemorrhaging. if he doesn't end up winning the election for him, at least it keeps the race competitive for another 24 days, which is great for us. >> you know what's interesting to me is i watched mitt romney, and i felt like he was extremely comfortable in that debate. >> he was. for the first i'm. >> why is it that it's the first time? >> you tell me. >> what are his advisers telling him? >> i think mitt romney is so calculating, and he's such a driven guy, i think he's always being safe. and i think he understood his advisers told him and i think we saw the real romney. >> you, look, you've said this all along, he's a terrible, terrible politician. >> horrible. >> horrible. the most awkward person i've ever seen, in person, and on stage. he's awkward even in person on the campaign trail. we've met him many times on his own. he's like awkward in a goober nice way. like a goober. he's a nice guy. he's a goober. >> we lik
>> these polls would have tightened -- >> no, no, no. >> if mitt romney wins -- >> if mitt romney wins, you can at least say this of the first debate. it stopped the hemorrhaging. if he doesn't end up winning the election for him, at least it keeps the race competitive for another 24 days, which is great for us. >> you know what's interesting to me is i watched mitt romney, and i felt like he was extremely comfortable in that debate. >> he was. for the first...
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the latest nbc news marist poll shows mitt romney with 48% of the vote. president obama 47%. that's likely voters in the commonwealth. that's a shift from last week hen the president had 48% and governor romney had 46%. those numbers are both well within the poll's margin of error. so we wanted to find out who is really ahead in virginia. i'm joined by brian moran, chairman of the democratic party of virginia. also cory stewart, the chairman of the prince william board of county supervisors, also a republican candidate for lieutenant governor there. let's start off, gentlemen, with listening to some sound from undecided voters in virginia. this is after the vice presidential debate on thursday. take a listen. >> i think the -- what was it, 23 million people are unemployed. i think that that's a big statistic, especially for young grads, especially young college grads. >> both have packages to create jobs. however, the jobs that are going to be created by president obama and vice president joe biden are going to be ones that are immediate jobs. >> all right, cory, let's start
the latest nbc news marist poll shows mitt romney with 48% of the vote. president obama 47%. that's likely voters in the commonwealth. that's a shift from last week hen the president had 48% and governor romney had 46%. those numbers are both well within the poll's margin of error. so we wanted to find out who is really ahead in virginia. i'm joined by brian moran, chairman of the democratic party of virginia. also cory stewart, the chairman of the prince william board of county supervisors,...